Bette is a public health lecturer, community health advocate, and life coach. She has taught healthier living in China, Ghana, and Venezuela. Marty met her when she spoke on happiness at a Mensa Halloween convention, and he grabbed a front-row seat on the spot. From the first minute, the energy crackles. Marty calls Bette "a breath of fresh air." He admits he'll cut her off now and then "because it's my show and I like to talk too." Bette laughs right along with him.

We kicked things off by diving straight into the most controversial aspect of Barnum’s legacy: his use of hoaxes. Was he a liar, a con man, or something else entirely? Nate immediately framed him not as the ultimate salesman, but as the "ultimate showman," which set the stage for a fascinating debate.